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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;I Hope We Are Civilised When Climate Disaster Hits&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: &#8216;Climate Apocalypse Around the Corner&#8217; says Renowned Scientist &#171; Stephen Leahy, International Environmental Journalist</title>
		<link>http://stephenleahy.net/2009/07/08/i-hope-we-are-civilised-when-climate-disaster-hits/#comment-10572</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#8216;Climate Apocalypse Around the Corner&#8217; says Renowned Scientist &#171; Stephen Leahy, International Environmental Journalist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 15:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] also my 2009 interview with Lovelock &quot;I Hope We Are Civilised When Climate Disaster Hits” [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] also my 2009 interview with Lovelock &quot;I Hope We Are Civilised When Climate Disaster Hits” [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Robyn</title>
		<link>http://stephenleahy.net/2009/07/08/i-hope-we-are-civilised-when-climate-disaster-hits/#comment-10234</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 14:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A guy who can advocate nuclear power obviously can&#039;t have much of a care for the future in any case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A guy who can advocate nuclear power obviously can&#8217;t have much of a care for the future in any case.</p>
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		<title>By: Green Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; James Lovelock: &#8220;I hope we are civilised when climate disaster strikes&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Green Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; James Lovelock: &#8220;I hope we are civilised when climate disaster strikes&#8221;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Stephen Leahy Simon Leufstedt Simon Leufstedt is the founder and editor of Green Blog – an environment blog [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://stephenleahy.net/2009/07/08/i-hope-we-are-civilised-when-climate-disaster-hits/#comment-9599</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He&#039;s a very interesting person and difficult to dislike. However I did not like his book for many, many reasons. And agree he is not the best source on climate science. 

At first his nihilism bothered me a great deal as well but doesn&#039;t now for some reason.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s a very interesting person and difficult to dislike. However I did not like his book for many, many reasons. And agree he is not the best source on climate science. </p>
<p>At first his nihilism bothered me a great deal as well but doesn&#8217;t now for some reason.</p>
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		<title>By: David C</title>
		<link>http://stephenleahy.net/2009/07/08/i-hope-we-are-civilised-when-climate-disaster-hits/#comment-9598</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 21:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Absolutely, the IPCC predictions are out of date - some were out of date or lacking (e.g. glacier melt was not factored in to sea level rise) when they were published. Also, consider that the papers used for the FAR synthesis are at least ~4, possibly 5-years old now. A *lot* has happened in that time - not least of which is another 100+ billion tons of carbon released.

And agreed that speed and extent have often been underestimated (e.g. http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jul/08/arctic-ice-ocean), but climate scientists are still the best source for climate science, not maverick scientists with books to sell.

The underestimates by the scientific community simply increase the urgency with which we must act to reduce and stop carbon pollution.

I&#039;ve read / watched a number of Lovelock&#039;s interviews recently and I think his cheerful nihilism damages the cause. This one was more of the same. I guess I&#039;ve made clear that I&#039;m not a fan. ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely, the IPCC predictions are out of date &#8211; some were out of date or lacking (e.g. glacier melt was not factored in to sea level rise) when they were published. Also, consider that the papers used for the FAR synthesis are at least ~4, possibly 5-years old now. A *lot* has happened in that time &#8211; not least of which is another 100+ billion tons of carbon released.</p>
<p>And agreed that speed and extent have often been underestimated (e.g. <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jul/08/arctic-ice-ocean" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jul/08/arctic-ice-ocean</a>), but climate scientists are still the best source for climate science, not maverick scientists with books to sell.</p>
<p>The underestimates by the scientific community simply increase the urgency with which we must act to reduce and stop carbon pollution.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read / watched a number of Lovelock&#8217;s interviews recently and I think his cheerful nihilism damages the cause. This one was more of the same. I guess I&#8217;ve made clear that I&#8217;m not a fan. <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://stephenleahy.net/2009/07/08/i-hope-we-are-civilised-when-climate-disaster-hits/#comment-9597</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lovelock is definitely an outsider on this -- and he acknowledges he doesn&#039;t have the data to back up his contentions. That said his points that the current state of climate science likely underestimates the speed and extent of CC are correct as many in the field acknowledge.

Good catch on the interglacial sea level -- 6+ meters is correct...will check the transcripts]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovelock is definitely an outsider on this &#8212; and he acknowledges he doesn&#8217;t have the data to back up his contentions. That said his points that the current state of climate science likely underestimates the speed and extent of CC are correct as many in the field acknowledge.</p>
<p>Good catch on the interglacial sea level &#8212; 6+ meters is correct&#8230;will check the transcripts</p>
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		<title>By: David C</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David C]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; The first step is to stop thinking blindly that all we have to do is reduce our carbon footprint...

Nobody who is reasonably informed is &quot;thinking blindly&quot;. Reduction of carbon pollution is by far the most important issue today - we must mitigate climate change and limit the damage as much as possible.

I think Lovelock&#039;s spiel about &#039;Gaia&#039; and his cheerful predictions of billions dying are dangerous nonsense that is being eagerly embraced by the deniers and delayers. Why should they act when most of us are doomed anyway?

&gt; My hope is that we will stay civilised and those in the North will give refuge to the unimaginably large numbers of climate refugees.

This is a clear demonstration of ignorance and naiveté at work. Look at the turmoil created by New Orleans. There&#039;s no way millions of refugees can be accommodated.

Hopefully very few people will pay attention to Lovelock and instead look to professional climate scientists for their climate science and the actions we need to take to avert catastrophic climate change.

P.S. I&#039;ve no idea where he got his sea level of +120m. for the last interglacial - it was more like +6m.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; The first step is to stop thinking blindly that all we have to do is reduce our carbon footprint&#8230;</p>
<p>Nobody who is reasonably informed is &#8220;thinking blindly&#8221;. Reduction of carbon pollution is by far the most important issue today &#8211; we must mitigate climate change and limit the damage as much as possible.</p>
<p>I think Lovelock&#8217;s spiel about &#8216;Gaia&#8217; and his cheerful predictions of billions dying are dangerous nonsense that is being eagerly embraced by the deniers and delayers. Why should they act when most of us are doomed anyway?</p>
<p>&gt; My hope is that we will stay civilised and those in the North will give refuge to the unimaginably large numbers of climate refugees.</p>
<p>This is a clear demonstration of ignorance and naiveté at work. Look at the turmoil created by New Orleans. There&#8217;s no way millions of refugees can be accommodated.</p>
<p>Hopefully very few people will pay attention to Lovelock and instead look to professional climate scientists for their climate science and the actions we need to take to avert catastrophic climate change.</p>
<p>P.S. I&#8217;ve no idea where he got his sea level of +120m. for the last interglacial &#8211; it was more like +6m.</p>
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